2016-02-26 09:47:17-!- mode/#gentoo-council [+o ulm] by ChanServ
2016-02-26 10:20:29< idella4> I actually need to float the whole topic of including users in an e;ection
2016-02-26 10:20:38< idella4> and I may as well launch it form here
2016-02-26 10:20:51< idella4> because that is exactly what I am going to work towards
2016-02-26 10:21:29< idella4> while most folk shy away form politics and elections those in g-p-m are chaffing at the bit to be let in and vote
2016-02-26 10:24:31<@K_F> idella4: yeah, there has been discussion about contributor participation in projects, lastly with the herd to project mapping
2016-02-26 10:25:13< idella4> sorry you just took the wind out of my sails
2016-02-26 10:25:42< idella4> I do not and cannot object to an election as such
2016-02-26 10:25:53< idella4> however i have never been in one before
2016-02-26 10:26:21< idella4> since I negotiated my taking lead between jlec and mrueg
2016-02-26 10:26:45< idella4> for a project that was about to be anihilated and no-onme wanted to touch
2016-02-26 10:27:01< idella4> I think I have to lie down and take some more breaths
2016-02-26 10:27:04<@K_F> idella4: That is all fine, now there is an election and so far you are the only nominee
2016-02-26 10:27:20< idella4> hmmm well
2016-02-26 10:27:25< idella4> ok
2016-02-26 10:27:28< idella4> so far
2016-02-26 10:27:31< idella4> I think
2016-02-26 10:27:39< idella4> my head is still spinning though
2016-02-26 10:28:58< idella4> ty
2016-02-26 11:00:29< idella4> so being still somewhat unacquainted with such processes I have now put myslef in their path really
2016-02-26 11:00:53< idella4> did I drop out there i had a break in conncetion here it seems
2016-02-26 11:06:06< idella4> so all Councillors I await your council on
2016-02-26 11:06:44< idella4> how to go about setting special conditions for the gentoo-proxy-maintainers project to ensure users have a vote
2016-02-26 11:07:30< idella4> so ifc one is burdened with setting critria briefly begun by awlifox as to which users actually qualify
2016-02-26 11:08:09< idella4> that HAS to decided and documented which i can do any time
2016-02-26 11:09:08< idella4> the channel alone lists user's nicks who have been idle for months or never have said a peep at all
2016-02-26 11:47:10<@jlec> idella4: you need to propose a change of the glep so that users can be part of a project. As soon as they are part of a project, they can vote
2016-02-26 11:47:42<@jlec> idella4:
2016-02-26 11:47:43<@jlec> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GLEP:39#Specification
2016-02-26 11:47:54< idella4> eeer
2016-02-26 11:48:00<@jlec> "A project is a group of developers working towards a goal (or a set of goals). " needs to include users
2016-02-26 11:48:17< idella4> jlec are you saying edit the whole gelp39
2016-02-26 11:48:33< idella4> which then becomes a genric rule to any and all projects ?
2016-02-26 11:48:36< idella4> ?>?
2016-02-26 11:48:40<@jlec> idella4: propose a change to that glep
2016-02-26 11:48:47< idella4> I just wanted to make it so for g=p=m
2016-02-26 11:48:53< idella4> that's scary
2016-02-26 11:49:03<@jlec> that depends. Think about it and suggest somehting.
2016-02-26 11:49:16<@jlec> There are many thinks to consider when going this route
2016-02-26 11:49:38< idella4> so you are advising that this need pertain to glep39 alone ??
2016-02-26 11:49:52< idella4> well that's why I want to put a rope around it
2016-02-26 11:49:53<@jlec> like, how to control minimal knowledge about a subject, how about removing/retiring etc
2016-02-26 11:50:13< idella4> and keep it to this project which is atypical of the average project
2016-02-26 11:50:39<@jlec> GLEP 39 defines projects, their members and the whole process.
2016-02-26 11:50:54< idella4> well that's what concerns me
2016-02-26 11:50:55<@jlec> If you wnat a change, you need to work on it by changing the gLEP
2016-02-26 11:51:18< idella4> I want to use a scalpel on a mole
2016-02-26 11:51:25< idella4> not do a hip replacement
2016-02-26 11:53:22< idella4> frankly i think the notion of burdening any and all projects with voter priviledges of users is like opening the floodgates and get swamped by immeasurable unmanted effects
2016-02-26 11:54:50< idella4> unwanted effects
2016-02-26 12:03:41<@jlec> So work something out to which gives some projects a sane user support while others will be dev only
2016-02-26 12:05:07<@K_F> Could work to introduce a class of participants in project called e.g "contributors" that can be added in wiki similar to members
2016-02-26 12:05:26<@K_F> the project can decide itself whether it'd allow votes from contributors in that case.
2016-02-26 12:05:44<@K_F> that should limit the scope of who can vote etc as well, as it is tracked similar to the rest of things
2016-02-26 12:21:18< idella4> yes yes
2016-02-26 12:22:50< idella4> so contributors does not yet exist as an entity inhouse gentoo ...
2016-02-26 12:23:50<@K_F> idella4: not in the project metastructure
2016-02-26 12:24:29< idella4> ok well that looks just right
2016-02-26 12:25:04< idella4> I have seen the odd ref by the likes og python team to recognise and welcome advanced users to join the list of members
2016-02-26 12:25:43< idella4> so this complicates everything but nothing I cannot do
2016-02-26 13:18:42<@ulm> GLEP 39 cannot be changed by the council
2016-02-26 13:19:04<@ulm> but would require a vote of all devs
2016-02-26 13:19:34<@jlec> interesting fact
2016-02-26 13:20:57<@ulm> it is a GLEP only because that was a convenient format for publishing it
2016-02-26 13:21:23<@ulm> but is was established by a general vote